10 comments

  • Morromist 37 minutes ago
    After that report from Reuters came out saying that 10% of META's revenue comes from ads pushing scams and prohibited products I'm starting to think a very large chunk of the internet (and national economy) basically runs on scamming people.

    And that's not even considering perfectly legal "scams" like shitcoin pumps and politicians awarding shady contracts to buisness people who donated to them without a technical bribe happening. I would love to know how much of the actual economy is above-board business and how much isn't, but the older I get the larger the "isn't" seems to grow. Is the scam-economy 1% of all real financial transations? 5%? 10%? 20%? I'm honestly not sure.

    • beloch 20 minutes ago
      It's surprising most MLM's are still so obvious. AI is going to be revolutionary for scammers. We're rapidly moving past call-bots that are good enough to bilk seniors. Imagine a MLM where the thousands of other suckers lining up to do the same thing are effectively invisible to the mark. That small fee the mark pays will seem like an unusual and extraordinary exception, but a necessary one. Suspicions will be allayed slickly, deadlines will be adjusted to add just the right amount of pressure, and the payoff will always be tantalizingly close. Every mark's online presence will be scraped so they can receive a custom tailored experience designed to press all their buttons.

      It's also going to be about as easy to hold a data-centre in Nigeria responsible for scams running on their hardware as it is to prosecute a crooked call-centre in Mumbai today. The AI-supercharged MLM's are going to be harder to block too. A call-centre can be blocked by telecoms (even if most don't currently bother). A MLM exploiting multiple forms of social media, websites, and networking apps on top of phones?

      We need to start pressuring our governments to devote more resources to police anti-fraud units. We can't rely on journalists do this job.

    • gtowey 8 minutes ago
      I think it's worse than that. Even what people think of as a "legit business" like Amazon and Walmart are scamming a significant percentage of their customers.

      Selling people mountains of cheap garbage that will break almost immediately is not much different than theft to me. But it's a scam that benefits enough other people like the shipping industry than nobody will rock the boat.

      The economy in general is trending more into figuring out how to siphon wealth from people without money into the pockets of people who already have everything. Poor people are actually pretty profitable because they have little choice in spending.

    • gustavus 28 minutes ago
      Dead Internet theory.
      • Forgeties79 15 minutes ago
        Isn’t DIT mainly about how no one online posting is actually a person?
        • mey 13 minutes ago
          Maybe we need a new term/definition. The idea of you aren't engaging with something in good faith.
    • GauntletWizard 8 minutes ago
      [delayed]
  • neom 8 minutes ago
    Post on the investigation (only 2 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50448222
  • reg_dunlop 23 minutes ago
    I made a job board scraper when I was looking for work. I found job listings from at least 6 years prior. I replied to some of them to call them on their stale listings. Not surprisingly no response. The lack of oversight or quality control is annoying, so make your own
    • ben_w 14 minutes ago
      One place laid everyone off, in the job hunt after that I found job ads from the same company, for my own role, for enough less than I earned that the ad had to have been many years out of date.

      As everyone was laid off, nobody inside to contact. Messaged the (by this point former) CTO on LinkedIn, was a surprise to him too.

  • mococa 36 minutes ago
    I never got a job in 15 years applying on LinkedIn
  • cat5e 33 minutes ago
    This is just a drop in the bucket. Hopefully, this snowballs into a sustained effort to enforce no ghost listings. Its understandable from both the recruiter and recruitee perspective, but something needs to change and it’s probably policy.
  • bluecheese452 58 minutes ago
    Most online job listings these days are fake.
    • ihsw 42 minutes ago
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  • minimaxa 12 minutes ago
    60% of the internet is now bots, We can come to the conclusion that Silicon Valley is one big grift of companies funded by corrupt VCs and Ad revenue.
  • wiradikusuma 1 hour ago
    Maybe I'm old fashioned. In my opinion people who prey on others who are desperate looking for food/job, and who prey on elderly/kids/disabled, are the lowest scum.
    • cowlevel 56 minutes ago
      It no longer works that way. Scumminess is now directly defined by how much money you don't have. The more money you have, the less scummy you are.
      • ares623 40 minutes ago
        As a parent of two young boys, I am seriously confused in what values I should teach them. I am defaulting to traditionally "good" values because that's how I was raised and all I know. But there's a part of me that feels my kids will be at a disadvantage when they grow up, if they carry my values.
        • jareklupinski 38 minutes ago
          religion used to promise a heaven for those who did good, and hell for those who do evil

          life taught me that living well grants you admission to heaven here while you're alive, while committing things society still considers sin makes you live through hell right here on earth

          cant imagine how much better/worse it gets if theres more after death

          • ares623 35 minutes ago
            nah even ignoring religion, there was this story of if you work hard study hard listen to your parents and your teachers and people of authority you will generally wind up more-or-less okay (not rich! just _okay_, and that's okay).
            • jareklupinski 26 minutes ago
              its the ability to pass down stories which made us the ?best? species

              editing seems to be an emergent property :P

        • gustavus 14 minutes ago
          "A virtue is something that is valuable even if it gives you nothing. A virtue persists without payment or compensation. Positive thinking is great. Vital. Useful. But it has to remain so even if it gets you nothing. Belief, truth, honor … if these exist only to get you something, you’ve missed the storming point." - Kaldin Stormblessed

          As a parent of two young boys I've had the same concerns, but I would rather have them grow up to be men of virtue in poverty that can go to bed at night with a clear conscience than the most powerful man in the world without integrity.

        • MykhailoSailor 13 minutes ago
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      • to11mtm 49 minutes ago
        This does crack me up though...

        I've got a friend, who is on SSDI due to mental and physical health issues. And yes, they are real. I've known this friend for 20 years, they are a good person, but they have serious challenges integrating into society between past trauma and the MH/PH problems.

        Her sister often 'borrows'[0] from her food stamps or SSDI income to pay for her own shit. Her sister's husband gets a new car every 1-2 years, charges his wife (the sister) and their daughter rent every month, and votes in a specific way because 'people are scamming away our tax dollars'.

        IOW, "You're right but it's curious to look at the people who think that and how they pose"

        [0] - Often without properly repaying

        • CoastalCoder 39 minutes ago
          Please report this to the attorney general.

          The money for those payments is taken from me, from all taxpayers, under threat of violence from the government.

        • jareklupinski 42 minutes ago
          loud people have a tendency to paint others in their own sins

          a type of ?projection? that happens to be more prominent when one is unable to perceive second- and third-order consequences of their own actions

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  • unpleasurable 49 minutes ago
    at first I was just going to say that screenshot of McCovy looks like a cringey amateur rap video but zooming in I see his eyes and I'm unsettled, distracted