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  • Sniffnoy 4 minutes ago
    It bugs me that articles about dark matter so frequently frame things as dark matter vs. MOND, and don't consider any of the other theories of modified gravity. I think MOND is just not a great theory and it has a lot of evidence against it by this point; but other theories of modified gravity have not, to my knowledge, been tested to the same extent, nor do they get anywhere near the publicity. Dark matter still seems more likely than modified gravity, but I wish they wouldn't emphasize MOND so much as the representative of modified gravity, and I wish we'd hear more about tests of other modified gravity theories!
  • blauditore 21 minutes ago
    For someone like me who doesn't know much about modern physics, dark matter has the vibe of a band-aid to me. Like a programmer who discovered that the algorithm was always off by 1 in the results, and just ended up returning r + 1 without thinking twice.

    I'd bet a large chocolate cake that one day, physicists will discover a much more logical explanation for this unexpected behavior of matter.

    • srdjanr 8 minutes ago
      It is just a band-aid.

      We noticed that some equations only make sense if mass is greater than what we'd expect from what we can see. So for now we pretend that there's this dark matter that we can't see, and with it all math so far checks out.

      But we don't know if that missing mass exists at all, or if some formulas are wrong. So it's definitely a "hack", but it works for now and we don't have anything better. And we do expect to find an explanation at some point.

    • zardo 13 minutes ago
      What's so illogical about it? Galaxies are spinning as though there's matter that we don't see. Maybe there's matter that we don't see.
    • analog31 19 minutes ago
      I'm not a cosmologist, but the Wikipedia article on dark matter has a pleasantly readable summary of the main sources of evidence for dark matter at this time.
  • analog31 17 minutes ago
    I wonder if this means there are giant balls of dark matter hurtling around the universe.
  • MattPalmer1086 11 hours ago
    Also see [1], a follow up post by Stacy McGaugh, a MOND proponent, who is quoted in the Quanta article. He does not agree with the evidence as presented in that article.

    [1] https://tritonstation.com/2026/10/15/ghostly-galaxies-in-the...

    • someguydave 1 hour ago
      “We don’t know what dark matter is or how to directly measure it but this distant galaxy has none”

      Ok then

    • cwmma 1 hour ago
      > DF2 has consistently been portrayed as fatal for MOND despite consistently being shown not to be a problem. I’ve given up writing formal papers showing this, as nobody cares. They just hear what they want to hear, which is that MOND is wrong. Indeed, after the 2018& incident I swore off doing so.

      This should set off crank alarms when you read it.

      • MattPalmer1086 37 minutes ago
        Professor McGaugh has commented many times on the sociology of science and how the dominant paradigm tends to be hostile or indifferent to alternate views. He is also quite frank about the limitations of MOND as well, although he is definitely in the MOND camp overall.

        He is hardly a crank - but he is definitely not in the mainstream camp.

        • cwmma 26 minutes ago
          perusing his blog posts, basically if a calculation is at all within expected values, this is evidence of MOND, but for something to be evidence of dark matter it has to jump through quite a few hoops in his opinion.

          He also seems to have the same problem that many MOND proponents have which is arguing for MOND in blog posts instead of in papers, though he doesn't seem to be as bad as others in this regard.

  • janalsncm 31 minutes ago
    I don’t really understand. Dark matter is in most galaxies interacting gravitationally, but not these three. Their idea is that somehow there was a collision event which stripped the galaxies of their dark matter, because the regular matter got tangled up but dark matter somehow didn’t.

    But if dark matter is also interacting gravitationally, why wouldn’t it also be tangled up? And is that something we have seen in other collisions ever?

    • Rumudiez 14 minutes ago
      the Bullet Cluster makes for a good comparison, there's a good image of it in the article. the bulk of the 2 galaxy clusters continued on but left behind 2 clouds of inter-cluster gas

      my first impression was this could actually be a counterexample, because there we can see the heavy, dark matter-full clusters continuing on their trajectories at full speed whereas the gas slowed down and is being left behind. compared to these 3 lightweight galaxies which seem to be alone, rather than trailing behind their dark matter-hosting parents

      but perhaps these 3 _are_ going slower than their full-scale origin galaxies. I would stake my view as a layman on whether anyone can find the dark matter galaxies that spawned these farther along their expected trajectories

  • potamic 10 hours ago
    > If two typical galaxies met in a head-on collision, the dark matter would experience very little friction, or drag, and would keep on rocketing by. But ordinary matter, which interacts using all four fundamental forces, would get all tangled up.

    Isn't a galaxy mostly empty space? I thought I read before that when galaxies collide there's actually very little physical contact between the matter. Stars mostly pass through affected predominantly only by change in surrounding gravity. Is this not the case?

    • Calavar 2 hours ago
      The ordinary matter that gets tangled up is interstellar dust clouds, not stars and planets.
    • pfdietz 1 hour ago
      The mean free path of a hydrogen molecule in the "warm interstellar medium" is about 0.03 light years, much smaller than the diameter of a galaxy. So if gas clouds collide they will interact strongly.
    • sandworm101 1 hour ago
      They don't collide but they do get "tangled" in each other's gravity. Small things (stars) get tossed in random directions and big things (gas clouds) pass into each other and start condensing into smaller/brighter things.
      • tsimionescu 22 minutes ago
        It can't be in each other's gravity, else the same phenomenon would affect dark matter. For something to affect regular matter but not dark matter, it has to be an electromagnetic interaction (at this scale - as the weak and strong forces only interact on very very small distances). So it has to be a significant amount of head-on collisions, or some kind of charged dust clouds projecting large EM fields.
  • mac3n 3 days ago
    • gumby 3 days ago
      Thanks! Weird that the link didn't post.
      • gnz11 5 hours ago
        Probably because you are posting in "Ask”.
  • miramba 13 hours ago
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