iOS 27, iPadOS 27, and macOS 27

(apple.com)

199 points | by throw0101d 1 hour ago

52 comments

  • Someone1234 1 hour ago
    I've been using it for several months since the developer beta came out; overall I'm extremely positive on it. One of their better releases that seemingly focused more on quality and refinements than new-features.

    Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet.

    The keyboard remains unfixed, as is tradition. The same issues they've "fixed" like three or four releases now, seemingly are identically broken, and I'm lost faith they CAN fix it.

    The iOS Keyboard and Search on Windows, are like the perpetually broken things that both companies have "fixed" every year for the last ten+ years and yet... It is almost farcical as this point.

    • saturn8601 42 minutes ago
      Any improvements to voice to text? I use iPhone 13 Mini and so keyboard has always been hard to type on. But voice to text..man..it is an absolutly miserable experience that I wish I could swap out for any other competitor.

      I normally don't complain that iOS/MacOS isn't customizable because the defaults are good enough to work for me but that voice to text man its like they completely forgot about it.

      • coder543 19 minutes ago
        There is also a new, larger voice to text model available... but not for an old iPhone like the 13 mini. Only like the iPhone 17 Pro and above.

        The best workaround is a third party app that lets you run Parakeet V3 or Whisper on your phone. There are quite a few.

      • ilamont 34 minutes ago
        Hear hear. The insistence upon prioritizing names in my extensive contacts list as well as certain geographic names leads to so many unnecessary manual edits.
      • aschobel 26 minutes ago
        i’ve been using the beta for a few months now, and the speech to text is significantly better. Put in parentheses using apple speech to text

        Some stuff, as you can see, isn’t perfect :-)

        I don’t think it is parakeet v2 level, but it’s good enough to not be frustrating

    • asaddhamani 20 minutes ago
      In my experience new Siri has been better only marginally. Still tons of I didn’t understand the query responses
      • gralab 7 minutes ago
        Marginally better? What kind of queries are you giving it? It's obviously not as capable as GPT, etc, but it's leaps and bounds better than the old Siri. There's no question about that.
    • swinglock 1 hour ago
      How is the keyboard broken? Maybe I'm so used to whatever it is that I'm blind to it.
      • sippeangelo 1 hour ago
        They have some nasty "dynamic tap zones" algorithm that dynamically resizes the hitbox for keys based on what it predicts you will type in order to reduce miss-taps. Anecdotally, it has just steadily been getting worse with every update. I swear I can be pressing the center of a key and it will select the next one over and immediately autocorrect to a completely different word than what I typed.

        I had the pleasure of typing something on an Android the other day and it was such a breath of fresh air when it actually accepted the keys I was pressing...

        • rayiner 27 minutes ago
          What's hilarious is that typing was nearly perfect on my 3gs (with "iPhone OS 3"--back before it was even "iOS").
          • HumblyTossed 19 minutes ago
            Yes, it was a solved problem. Then they had to figure out how to utilize the ML features of their chips... and fucked it all up.
          • meindnoch 6 minutes ago
            That's because it used to be a simple Markov model back then.

            Today's implementation is using more advanced ML techniques ;)

        • HumblyTossed 16 minutes ago
          In addition to this, there is a delay in the suggested word such that when you see the options above the keyboard, decide you see the word you want, stop typing and move to select it, it changes right as you land your finger.
        • kayodelycaon 20 minutes ago
          Oh wonderful. That’s what’s happening to me. I’m an author and Apple‘s dictionary appears to be missing about half the more uncommon words in the English language. It’ll never recognize “prescient” in dictation for example. Some words it marks in red because it thinks it’s a spelling error. I know it’s not because I’ve used it, read it, and it’s in online dictionaries.

          At least I’m macOS I can use Talon instead of the system dictation.

        • GreekPete 59 minutes ago
          Ah, so that’s why that happens? I was gaslighting myself.
          • butlike 2 minutes ago
            Same. Glad to know I'm not alone
          • lynndotpy 20 minutes ago
            Yep; this has been the case since the very first iPhone, it can't be disabled, and there is no feedback it happens other than the typos. It is very crazy making and mind boggling.
          • laweijfmvo 27 minutes ago
            someone posted high speed videos a few months ago where the keyboard will popup the key you thought you pressed (therefore did press, as far as the UI is concerned) but iOS will insert a different character anyway.
      • Macha 1 hour ago
        The best way to put it is it really wants to type what it wants to type, and if you deviate from that it will often end up just ignoring it. Whether it's the dynamic tap zones as mentioned elsewhere, or just auto correcting backwards and changing words you've already typed. Also when you go back and change a word it will also often insert additional spaces around the changed word. Or worse still if you mistype a word like say banana then backspan to ban and retype ana, it will display banana... Until you hit space and it turns it into "ban ana".
      • Agingcoder 1 hour ago
        Try an android keyboard and go back to an iphone. Having switched back and forth between both systems it’s quite remarkable how bad the iphone keyboard is. In practice , typing on an iphone means constant typos, bad autofix, and bad suggestions.
      • devindotcom 1 hour ago
        I personally use the swiping keyboard on ios and it seems to detect the wrong word with an almost malicious frequency. It also randomly Capitalizes things.
        • devilbunny 1 hour ago
          For some reason, the one word that it just will not let me swipe is “and”. Which is, you know, somewhat common. I get all kinds of random things instead.
        • tom_ 14 minutes ago
          It's intriguing. Danny! Infuriating.

          I think it's slightly worded if you swore. No. Slightly worded. No. Slightly worse if you swipe left handed. Yes. At last.

      • shreddit 1 hour ago
        Each time you type the wrong letter there’s a big chance you didn’t miss but the keyboard typed the wrong key anyway.
        • Macha 59 minutes ago
          Would have been totally gaslit by my iPad on this only I have an android phone to compare my typing accuracy on.
      • kovariantenkak 1 hour ago
        Typing German and Swiss German is entirely broken while English is fine on the Swiss German keyboard layout. It very often registers the wrong key even though a slow motion video shows very clearly that the finger hits the correct key initially.
      • schainks 1 hour ago
        1. Auto-correct inserts the wrong words into my sentences despite correct spelling and grammar. Think, "what a ducking joke". This has suddenly gotten better recently when it comes to typos, though.

        2. The keyboard's AI will also helpfully misinterpret key presses and sub the wrong letter, which doesn't get corrected. For example, common acronyms get corrected to other acronyms I _never_ use. FFS turns into FFA regularly.

      • gruturo 58 minutes ago
        I have an English/Italian bilingual keyboard set up as my default.

        Every single f**n time I begin a sentence with "È" (Italian for "she/he/it is") - which is an extremely deliberate gesture - you have to keep the E tapped until the accents pop up - it will immediately correct it back to an unaccented "E". It's nuts.

        There is a metric ton of intent behind my selecting, keeping tapped, waiting for the accents, picking one - it's so obviously NOT accidental, and this utterly cretinous piece of junk changes it .

      • pyaamb 1 hour ago
        I really need the spacebar to expand slightly more on the right so my thumb doesn't miss it while typing. Wish it were customizable.
        • hosteur 58 minutes ago
          This! So many times have I hit one of the keys in the row above space. I think this might actually be caused by them resizing the hitbox because I am not that fat-fingered.
        • misnome 1 hour ago
          This is the “dynamic key area” in action
      • __patchbit__ 1 hour ago
        macOS has the prior keycombo for 'home' and 'end' occupied for other uses.

           command + up/down arrow
        
        I don't know how to read to the bottom of a webpage and jump immediately to the top of page.

        Plus, the global key at bottom left fails for keyboard shortcut input when defining new binding for managing windowing rearrangement.

        • gabagool 1 hour ago
          Your specific usecase has a native solve. Tap the status bar on any scrollable content view to scroll immediately to the top of the page. This has been around since, I believe, iPhone OS 1.
      • neutronicus 1 hour ago
        It's unclear to me if they're alleging that it's recently broken. I switched to iPhone at my wife's insistence 3-4 years ago and I have pined for Swype the entire time. It's so bad and I was spoiled by Android.
        • jitl 12 minutes ago
          You can install a different keyboard if you want. I used 3rd party swiping keyboards but ended up using the system one for the last few years because it doesn't bother me.
        • WalterGR 1 hour ago
          What do you find lacking in iOS’s swipe keyboard implementation?
          • Macha 58 minutes ago
            Poor word choices. Backwards "corrections" that are incorrect.
          • neutronicus 57 minutes ago
            I can't comment knowledgeably. I just regularly have to try over and over again to get it to produce the word I want, and my memory is that this happened rarely on Android.

            Wait! I do have a specific criticism!

            There are certain two-word sequences it will not produce ("kill myself", "white women") and I could do without that little bit of editorial oversight thank you very much.

            • rootusrootus 10 minutes ago
              And expletives. If I want to say fuck, that's my business, I don't need my phone refusing to allow it. If not for how embedded I am right now in the ecosystem, this keyboard & vocabulary behavior they force on me might be enough to make me switch.
      • mathisfun123 1 hour ago
        try using swipe-type on an android and you'll see. the funny thing is it's been this way since the iphone 1 because iphone 1 didn't have swipe-type while very early android did (via "swype").
      • visarga 1 hour ago
        (adjacent to keyboard) It has no way to select all text. That makes the whole platform a toy.
        • vjvjvjvjghv 45 minutes ago
          It used to be there but a few releases ago the option disappeared.
    • wycy 35 minutes ago
      > Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet.

      I really wish we could add our own custom prompts for the new Siri. My most common usage of Siri is "Remind me at XX:00 to do XYZ." The most common response from Siri now is, "Sorry, did you say XYZ or XZY?" Two very similar things, the difference between which is inconsequential. Dealing with this "Sorry" has made reminders take too many steps. Wish I could throw in a "If I'm setting a reminder and you don't quite hear me, just put both things in one line and I'll figure it out myself"

    • OptionOfT 54 minutes ago
      I had issues with the Siri Beta. I would ask it to open the garage door, and often it just... failed.

      Un-enrolling from the beta fixed it.

    • nick_ 1 hour ago
      I too feel the keyboard is broken but I haven't identified exactly what is broken about it.
      • brainzap 57 minutes ago
        its when you type it wrong two times, and then slowly type it. Then it works.
    • MarkSweep 1 hour ago
      If the iOS keyboard is broken in terms of auto correct suggestions, try resetting its dictionary. I found it was much improved after that.
    • eslaught 1 hour ago
      What's better about it in your usage?
    • DerDerDaIst 1 hour ago
      re keyboard: i don't get how the keyboard on the iphone can be so broken. meanwhile the small keyboard on the ipad works like a charm.

      or am i the only one experiencing it like this?

      • eldenbishop 1 hour ago
        I was starting to think I was getting old and senile with how hard typing has become on the iPhone. It's a misery. I have to type so insanely slow to have any chance of getting the right keys now. I don't have this issue on other virtual keyboards, iPad etc.
  • Sir_Twist 2 minutes ago
    [delayed]
  • throw0101d 1 hour ago
    At the bottom of the press release they have links to individual OS pages:

    * iOS 27: https://www.apple.com/os/ios/

    * iPadOS 27: https://www.apple.com/os/ipados/

    * macOS: https://www.apple.com/os/macos/

    * watchOS: https://www.apple.com/os/watchos/

    * visionOS: https://www.apple.com/os/visionos/

    * tvOS 27: no link.

    * Overview: https://www.apple.com/os/?version=no-hero

  • Tepix 1 hour ago
    Was just looking over the Safari 27 release notes¹, which is part of macOS 27, and noticed this:

    Web Driver

    New Features

    - Allow your agent to connect to a Safari browser for development and debugging via the Safari MCP server. (176038457)

    Related (From July 1st)

    Introducing the Safari MCP server for web developers

    https://webkit.org/blog/18136/introducing-the-safari-mcp-ser...

    So that's interesting. On the other hand, looks like WebXR support for Safari will never come.

    ---

    ¹ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-not...

    • hakunin 10 minutes ago
      Unfortunately, not well suited for stealth use cases for personal automation. Here's a comparison to an mcp tool that allows driving your live safari via osascript:

      [1]: https://github.com/achiya-automation/safari-mcp#vs-apples-of...

    • bel8 12 minutes ago
      It's really powerful. I have been using it in Chrome for a while.

      This is how to enable: chrome://inspect/#remote-debugging

    • _1 43 minutes ago
      This MCP server for Safari is pretty neat. I think I'm going to start automatting some tasks for our corporate websites.
  • dgellow 1 hour ago
    Reminder to wait a couple of months before upgrading macOS! Every single time issues are found after a new macOS version, give it a little bit of time before jumping right away on your work machine :)
    • Stitch4223 17 minutes ago
      Normally I’d agree.

      But my experience with 26 hasn’t been great. From the top of my head: Random repeated flashing window chrome in the background, notifications that keep on showing while everything is disabled, Finder tooltips from four windows down, tooltips that don’t disappear, Java update interruptions that hijack your flow - just when you where about to hit enter for something else the pop-up shows and bam: you’re installing it. There is nothing right about the update process of Java anyway. Spotlight search has completely stopped working. People I’m mailing with for over a decade are not suggested when drafting a mail. Clicking on the dock icon does not reveal the app. The list goes on and on. It has been a total grueling experience. Worst in all my experiences since System 7.

      I’ve shut down the notification system at some point, which alleviated the constant reminders of non-compatibility with the next OS version. Being reminded of that four times a day for months on end is just insulting, even if I used compatible versions. There was no way to shut it off. Notifications are lazily designed and completely uninspired, as they could also adjust the app icons and so on and actually do it right.

      I promised myself to update once it came out and then just screen record everything to collect residual garbage to help the Apple team make this stuff work well for everyone.

      Sorry to let this all out, but it has been on my mind for a while and I’m happy they say they focussed on quality. Therefore I’m upgrading asap this time.

    • atonse 58 minutes ago
      I feel pretty good about the 27 series in a way I haven't in the past (I've been running iOS 27 and it's working well), except for one thing, they remove x86 support (no more Rosetta), so just keep that in mind in case that might disrupt anything for you.
    • reaperducer 3 minutes ago
      Reminder to wait a couple of months before upgrading macOS!

      Karma-farming aside, a more legitimate reminder is to disable Little Snitch before upgrading.

      A couple of times recently, LS hasn't been compatible with the new version of macOS. Usually a new LS update is available quickly, but a couple of versions ago it was a bit of a wait.

    • dewey 1 hour ago
      In theory that makes sense, in practice I've never had any issues with updating on day one and it's often necessary if you want to develop for iOS / macOS anyway unless you have a dedicated developer machine.
    • robrain 14 minutes ago
      You do you. I backup and install once the RC goes live. Have done for years. Only problem I recall was a few years ago Homebrew got in a tizzy for a day.

      One exception maybe is for music producers. For some reason AU/VST/DAW developers don't seem to take part in the beta programs and their software can take a while to get updated. But I've happily been playing with Bitwig (with some Arturia VSTs) over the weekend on Golden Gate without issue.

    • gekoxyz 1 hour ago
      Don't worry I am still on Sonoma :)
    • mjhagen 1 hour ago
      I’ve been running it for a couple months, I’d say we’re pretty much out of danger.
    • usern20260720 41 minutes ago
      yes. I have been waiting 12 months already because Tahoe didn't convince many people, and I dread the moment I upgrade my mpb m3. Maybe I should just keep the factory OS
    • tensor 30 minutes ago
      I used to always do this but I hate liquid glass with such passion that I even upgraded to an iOS beta just to get any improvements to it. Worst UI update in the history of the company.
    • baggy_trough 1 hour ago
      You don't have to! I always update the day of. So far, no regrets!
    • Hamuko 40 minutes ago
      I just updated my Mac Studio from Sequoia to Tahoe.

      Gotta say, a massive downgrade.

    • rvz 1 hour ago
      Good advice.
  • maelito 17 minutes ago
    How depressing this first demo video about mum, grandma and the fruits.

    These are basic things of our lives that make us humans : caring about others, remembering what they say, knowing how to recognize a fruit, enjoying colors of the fruits with your eyes, not through your retina display, thinking about the food recipes that we know.

    I don't know if this is because I'm european and the gap keeps getting larger across the Atlantic, but what a depressing life those giants are telling us here.

    • dd8601fn 13 minutes ago
      You’re mad that Siri was asked to find a recipe in an email and add its items to a grocery list?

      That doesn’t sound like a cultural divide issue.

  • seanhunter 59 minutes ago
    I love Siri's suggestions for categories in my shopping list. At the moment it puts "Dishwasher Rinse Aid" in the "Beverages" category.
    • marknutter 45 minutes ago
      Well, the kids were eating Tide Pods not too long ago, seems like Siri's not that inaccurate after all.
      • reaperducer 20 minutes ago
        My favorite bumper sticker from when the Millennials were in college was a riff on the old "I {$cause}, and I vote" from the 80's:

        "I eat Tide Pods, and I vote"

  • gekoxyz 1 hour ago
    Usually I wait until december to install the new iOS on my phone, since most of the time I don't care about the upgrades. This time I installed iOS 27 beta on my phone since the public beta was out, and I had 0 new bugs compared to iOS 26, but it hasn't been the big relief that I hoped for.

    Now I am worried about what the new versions of iOS will bring us, I hope that the "we removed the crap" wasn't just a thing of this year, and that iOS will go back to high software standards. Phone prices are really high for me now, and I would like for my poor little iphone 13 to survive another couple of years.

    • nick_ 35 minutes ago
      Are you exaggerating? I tried the latest beta about a month ago and experienced multiple bugs within half an hour. Had to downgrade back to 26.
    • Cockbrand 1 hour ago
      So what's your experience in terms of speed and battery life with iOS 27 on the iPhone 13 so far? I have a 13 mini, and I still haven't gotten over the (perceived) shorter battery life with iOS 26.
      • petesergeant 1 hour ago
        Upgrading the battery on my iPhone 12 Pro has been a fucking revelation. I just don't run out of battery any more. I'm sure Apple was telling me it was only 20% degraded or something too, but I would strongly, strongly recommend this if thinking about battery life is currently an issue for you.
        • benterix 46 minutes ago
          That could be a factor for sure, but this iOS upgrade basically broke mu iPhone as switching between apps got noticeably slower and sometimes the UI gets stuck for a second or two especially when switching between the camera and other apps. I'm so sorry I gave in and installed it.
        • thinkthatover 12 minutes ago
          I think it's different for mini owners. I upgraded my battery in march of this year and its already at 89%, I blame ios26 frankly.
  • wastedpotencial 1 hour ago
    Not updating from Sequoia until the Liquid Glass era is over.
    • GeekyBear 1 hour ago
      They literally give you a new slider to increase or reduce the Liquid Glass effect to align with your personal preferences.
      • lynndotpy 15 minutes ago
        Just anecdotally, increasing the blur seems to have an associated performance cost, especially in Springboard ("the home screen".) It's probably only ~100ms for each interaction, so it probably won't impact latency-insensitive users.

        As others have said, it helps with the legibility but Liquid Glass is still distracting and illegible. I share the wish that Apple eventually returns to a more sensible, legible UI.

      • anon7000 46 minutes ago
        And fixed the dumb sidebar design
      • Hamuko 38 minutes ago
        Unfortunately the slider does not fix Liquid Glass. Notifications are still unreadable even when you go full opaque. You need to also toggle Reduce Transparency to actually get the UI to be opaque enough to be readable.
        • teekert 26 minutes ago
          Jeez, it's an accessibility feature and they just turned it off!

          I don't mind liquid glass and can handle the transparency mostly, but the notifications are just god-awful and difficult to read (white on light glass, using dark mode, who comes up with this stuff?).

          But reducing transparency is a much harder setting now (should be "removing transparency"), I don't like it anymore, it also messes with the wallpaper. The previous setting was just right for me. Now the app squares are just black, very bad with dark icons.

    • latexr 17 minutes ago
      You’ll probably be waiting around a decade, then (about the amount of time Apple has between these refreshes), and won’t be able to upgrade your Mac hardware (because they never support OSs older than what they ship with). For people developing for Apple platforms, there are even more restrictions.

      All of that is fine, of course, just as long as you’re aware. I also hate Liquid Glass, but unfortunately don’t think I can avoid it for another year. I just hope that the stuff they rolled back makes it bearable.

      • wastedpotencial 2 minutes ago
        Still daily driving the 6s after almost 11 glorious years, and I can't imagine software ever being painfully slow on M series hardware. But if you need, well, are forced, to be on latest MacOS, then you are out of luck and you have my sympathy.

        (My relatives iPhone updated and its just bad all around. And with increased font size for accessibility, elements don't cover all the text. Feels rushed and not the promised Apple land.)

    • suprfnk 1 hour ago
      It's really not that bad.
      • Cockbrand 1 hour ago
        I agree, despite being quite the Liquid Glass hater at first. It has grown on me, and they have ironed out the worst kinks. I still don't love it, but it's great that we're getting a bit of three-dimensionality back, after all the ambiguity that comes with the flat design trend of the decade or so before Liquid Glass.
      • datadrivenangel 1 hour ago
        but it's bad enough to be worth not upgrading.
        • baggy_trough 1 hour ago
          The panic is overblown.
          • preg_match 58 minutes ago
            The panic was, frankly, underblown at first. The first iterations of Liquid Glass were truly awful. It’s now okay, after a lot of tweaking and a LOT less “glass”. Now we have more frost.

            But Liquid Glass is still broken at a conceptual level. The only way to fix it is to start all over. Which they basically are, by swapping parts of liquid glass out with every release.

      • ndiddy 1 hour ago
        The thing that I disliked the most about Tahoe is that they made light mode extremely bright, so it was a lot more uncomfortable to look at than Sequoia. I had to switch the computer to dark mode as a workaround. Did they fix this in Golden Gate or is light mode still too bright?
      • nicbou 1 hour ago
        I just upgraded last week. For the most part, I really don't care. It was not a noticeable change.
      • AlexandrB 48 minutes ago
        It's fine on iOS, it's painful on macOS. The "squircle jail" is one of the worst design crimes Apple has shipped in a long time and another step back for Mac iconography.
      • bigyabai 1 hour ago
        ...relative to what, Windows 11?
  • ForceBru 1 hour ago
    So, is it better (faster, stronger, etc) than iOS 18? Everyone says iOS 26 was not good at all and iOS 27 is much better, but it seems like it's fairly simple to make something that's better than iOS 26. A more interesting question is whether it's better than iOS 18? Does anyone have any experience switching from iOS 18 to, say, some beta of iOS 27?
    • etatester 16 minutes ago
      "Better" is subjective. I've been using iOS 27 beta and other than a few bugs it hasn't been that bad. I only had some minor downgrades in Safari UI, but those are minor and personal.

      One thing I hated was a downgrade in Photos app on iOS 26 though, that hasn't improved in 27. Unfortunately it seems I was the only one loving Photos on iOS 18.

      I did jump from macOS 18 to macOS 27 beta though and Safari's UI is abhorrent.

    • GeekyBear 13 minutes ago
      It improves performance on the oldest iOS device that is supported.
  • thatmf 10 minutes ago
    I would typically never install a .0 release, but as an 18 holdout who begrudgingly had to finally "upgrade" to 26, I have to say 27 really is an improvement. The egregious bugs are gone. Safari is usable again. You can pretty much disable liquid glass. It feels faster. This is all I really wanted.
  • int32_64 1 hour ago
    26GB for an update is pretty steep considering their base macs are still on 256GB SSDs.
  • Agingcoder 1 hour ago
    I don’t want a new screen time experience , I just want it to work. Much to my surprise, it’s extraordinarily brittle, to such an extent that it’s virtually useless.
    • jhickok 49 minutes ago
      As a parent of kids with iThings, the parental controls/screen time experience is incredibly bad. I have no idea why they are not interested in having it work.
      • alex_suzuki 15 minutes ago
        100% agree. We had to turn it off because it was too frustrating for everyone involve. Now we’re at “trust, but verify” where “verify” is looking at Screen Time stats at the end of each week.

        My only plausible explanation is that no one who works at Apple has kids.

      • samename 23 minutes ago
        The more time kids spend on the device, the more revenue Apple generates. They don’t have any incentive for it to really work.
  • Y-bar 21 minutes ago
    For the first time in years I will upgrade early. Apple Support required me to update to iOS 26 back in November or else they refused to troubleshoot an iCloud issue. The issue remains to this day and I regularly regret upgrading. But it seems many things about the interface has improved. Hoping for the best now.
  • jjice 1 hour ago
    Updated a bit ago to give Siri AI a go for some basic stuff I've been wanting it to do with personal context. It had some false positives in there, but it's notably better now, pretty fast, and handled context well. It allows you to see where it got the context from, which is great considering that doesn't sound like a very Apple thing to do.
  • GeekyBear 1 hour ago
    I'm looking forward to trying out Safaris new ability to vibe code extensions that will modify websites to remove annoyances.

    https://www.idownloadblog.com/2026/08/27/build-safari-extens...

    For developers, there is a new framework (Core AI), that updates the decade old Core ML framework.

    > Core AI allows your app to use the latest model architectures and inference techniques across the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine.

    https://developer.apple.com/documentation/coreai

  • Bondi_Blue 58 minutes ago
    Are they no longer publishing the complete feature list PDFs for each OS? E.g. https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_iOS_26_Sept_20...
  • jsphweid 1 hour ago
    Nice. Can't wait for all my binaries to suddenly stop building.
  • nicbou 1 hour ago
    That's all I want! A not-completely-useless Siri, and performance/quality of life improvements.

    MacOS is fine. For the most part it gets out of my way. However I have a laundry list of small issues that have been there since my first Mac in 2012. I wish there was a Department of Details to fix those little snags in the user experience.

  • LUmBULtERA 1 hour ago
    Anyone else accidentally upgrade to 26.7 first?
    • xena 1 hour ago
      I did that too! The update servers are hammered as is tradition.
      • LUmBULtERA 1 hour ago
        Things are or were labeled wrong... I clicked a button for "upgrade to iOS 27" but then follow up dialogue is talking about upgrading to 26.7. When supposedly I'm already running 26.7. It's very weird.
        • dd8601fn 6 minutes ago
          It did both. I didn’t get offered 26.7 until noon. I did it. Then it offered 27. I did it. But instead it showed that it was updating to… 26.7.

          Except when it was complete it actually had done 27.

          Lots and lots of Reddit posts with the same bug. It’s not just you… Apple botched the meta that shows during the 27 upgrade.

          Good news is the upgrade worked fine.

        • clueless 11 minutes ago
          same, I saw the exact same weird transition from 27 -> 26.7... def seems like a bug
  • drbscl 1 hour ago
    I wish they allowed iCloud subscribers with older hardware to use cloud-only Siri AI.

    I imagine they wouldn't shift as much hardware that way though.

    • standeven 1 hour ago
      Same. Siri has been so bad for so long, and this announcement gave me a brief glimmer of hope that it would finally get better. However, every phone in my family is a 15 or older, and there is no support for our newer HomePod either. Boooooo Apple, booooo.
      • drbscl 1 hour ago
        Yeah, the 15 owners got hosed badly by it, especially since they were marketing it as the "AI iPhone" when it launched.

        Personally, new Siri is the only reason to upgrade from 13 Pro, and it's just not worth the money to bother.

  • mmmlinux 24 minutes ago
    I only just spotted that the AirPods Pro 3 can do heart rate monitoring. That's some amazing miniaturization.
  • teekert 27 minutes ago
    Hmm, got the liquid glass slider, put it all the way to the right, but still lost a lot of contrast in my notifications...
  • krttherealest 5 minutes ago
    siri is kinda useless nowadays imo
  • maaand 1 hour ago
    Did they remove the rounded corners mess?
  • lexoj 42 minutes ago
    My iPad 2021 10.2" was flawless but some weeks ago it was updated to iOS26 by mistake and it became so slow on basic stuff (like showing the keyboard). Made me terrified of doing any upgrades
  • ksec 1 hour ago
    People who are still on Chrome as main browser should seriously try Safari 27. Compatibility greatly improved, super speedy.

    Although for some reason the AI organise tab option is not showing up on me.

    • tensor 29 minutes ago
      Still waiting for them to allow me to use any search provider I want (e.g. Kagi).
    • dewey 1 hour ago
      I wish they would improve the extension support in Safari. I'm on Safari full time but I always dread the moment I have to install an extension. If the extension even exists (Firefox / Chrome is easy, so developers always do that and they don't have to pay Apple a fee) download some app, then click some button to open Safari settings, then enable the extension there, then give it permissions in the Safari menu bar. Horrible UX.
      • GeekyBear 50 minutes ago
        > I wish they would improve the extension support in Safari.

        They added the ability to vibe code your own custom extensions in this version.

      • doublepg23 1 hour ago
        On Safari I use

        - Wipr (Ad Blocker)

        - 1Password (Password Manager)

        - Dark Mode HN (HN dark mode hack.)

        Not really sure what else I need tbh

        • elektor 17 minutes ago
          Just a heads up, you can have dark mode on every website on iOS Safari with Dark Reader: https://darkreader.org/
        • dewey 52 minutes ago
          I use 1Password, RSS Button (To highlight if the page has a feed, so I can subscribe with my own Miniflux instance), 1Blocker (Ad blocking), Tampermonkey for loading userscripts on some websites, Readdeck extension to easily send something to my "read later" pile. It's not a lot of them, but every time I want to test a new one I dread it.
      • petesergeant 1 hour ago
        Feels like the perfect thing to vibe-code based on existing FF/Chrome extensions? Decent agent should make pretty light work of it.
        • dewey 1 hour ago
          That gives you the extension, but the workflow within macOS for users is still very user hostile. Problem with extensions might be that the training data isn't that great as there's not that many open source Safari extensions.
    • doublepg23 1 hour ago
      When I switched to macOS in '22 I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.
    • jmuguy 1 hour ago
      Does uBlock Origin (or something equivalent) work in Safari?
  • rwz 22 minutes ago
    I've just installed macOS 27 on my personal laptop and I'm losing my mind. My OrbStack app is now permanently stuck in Dock showing as "Running in Background"

    There appears to be no way to keep it from the Dock without actually killing it or disallowing the "Running in Background" permission for it.

    This is the stupidest forced opt-in feature I've ever seen.

  • minimaxir 1 hour ago
    Safari does in fact feel snappier.
  • chronogamous 1 hour ago
    Still on iPadOS 18.7.8 on a 9th generation iPad out of fear for performance degradation of ProCreate using an Apple Pencil on iPadOS 26. Considering the size of this update, I fear iPadOS 27 might equally wreck my workflow.
  • dewey 1 hour ago
    I was surprised to see that macOS is 28GB. Is that all the local models that come with it?
  • ecshafer 1 hour ago
    Can this AI integration now mean that Siri can finally just read the wikipedia page of a topic when I am driving? Or can I finally have Siri add a stop at Mcdonalds on google maps during a road trip?
    • ezfe 1 hour ago
      Adding a stop at McDonalds on Google Maps won't necessarily work unless Google provides the hooks to accomplish that.

      But yes, it can give you information on a topic in a way the old Siri couldn't.

  • delillos 1 hour ago
    Are they still using Gemini? Curious to see how fast all these AI features will feel.
    • jjice 1 hour ago
      I believe it's a Gemini derived model that they are running on isolated hardware. So it's not the same servers as Gemini and thus will have potentially different performance.
    • ezfe 1 hour ago
      They've never used Gemini, and they are not using Gemini here. Gemini and Siri AI are both based on Google technology though.
  • jasonvorhe 29 minutes ago
    macOS 27 ade my M2 MBA feel like new. Tahoe just felt a lot less responsive most of the time.
  • phantomathkg 1 hour ago
    I wonder if Apple have fixed the issue where the user want the Siri to use a different language than the UI language.
  • ChrisMarshallNY 50 minutes ago
    WatchOS, too. Not tvOS, though.
  • bingemaker 1 hour ago
    Upgraded just now. Went pretty smooth!
  • hintymad 1 hour ago
    Finally Apple has a screen time that allows different configurations for different time segments. What took them so long? /j
  • cyberax 1 hour ago
    Can I have my square corners back, please? And while you're at it, add sorting by alphabet in the WiFi networks list. Maybe even a filter field (I know, too advanced, but hey...)

    And perhaps make the "System Settings" window scalable horizontally?

    No? OK, I'll skip.

  • theplumber 1 hour ago
    Can the new AI browse the web?
  • awestroke 1 hour ago
    New Siri is not available in the EU. And no plans to change that.

    I'll probably switch to Android once my phone and watch batteries degrade enough to annoy me

    • kstrauser 1 hour ago
      There's approximately zero chance Google would go along with the changes that Apple would have had to make to support EU's DMA.
    • albumen 1 hour ago
      As a European, and Apple household: no new iPhone Duo, Watch or iPhone 18 Pro Max purchases in this house until Apple desists with its malicious campaign to break the DMA. I'll get by fine with other AI products in the meantime.
      • theshrike79 50 minutes ago
        You do know that Google is fighting the same DMA rules as Apple?

        They need to similarly make Gemini hot-swappable to anything on Android and don't want to.

        Apple was just first because they're a bigger and more visible target.

  • lenerdenator 1 hour ago
    I take it this is the one that tosses out Rosetta 2 on macOS?
    • bayindirh 1 hour ago
      Nope, that's macOS 28.

      > Rosetta is available for any Mac with Apple silicon using macOS 27 or earlier. Starting with macOS 28, the next major macOS release, Rosetta functionality will be available only for certain older, unmaintained games that rely on Intel-based frameworks.

      Sauce: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527

      • asimovDev 41 minutes ago
        i wonder if M7 will not have elements in it that help with x86 to ARM on the fly translation that M1 had now that macOS 27 and beyond is ARM only with no Rosetta
        • bayindirh 33 minutes ago
          I bet it will, because cross-platform virtualization and containerization is a boon for Apple. Also, Rosetta will stay for older programs (esp. games) and some Intel specific frameworks per Apple's docs.

          I bet with all the transistor count increase, that circuitry is a blip.

    • andykellr 1 hour ago
      The warning dialog I received the other day while running macOS 27 Beta said that it will be removed in macOS 28.
  • prymitive 1 hour ago
    Is it just me or is clicking “iOS 27” on iPhone showing upgrade screen for 26.7?
    • sync 7 minutes ago
      Same, but I clicked it, awaited the update, and I'm on iOS 27 proper now-- so just a visual bug.
    • jjtheblunt 1 hour ago
      same. and at the bottom it says "Also Available : iOS 27" with a button which leads right back to iOS 26.7.
    • gregrobson 1 hour ago
      Same here. Will upgrade and hopefully 27 will show up!
      • prymitive 1 hour ago
        If it does then do much for focus on quality in this release…
    • owlkeenii 1 hour ago
      Same here. It’s over 5 GB, therefore is not 26.7. Upgrading, let’s see.
    • bronco21016 1 hour ago
      Having exact same experience as of 2:11p EDT.
  • moralestapia 1 hour ago
    I'll stay w/ Sequoia as long as I can.
    • dagi3d 1 hour ago
      I definitely wanted to skip Tahoe by any means and was reluctant about this new version. I recently installed it because the wm I was using (omniwm) wasn't compatible with Tahoe anymore so I had to choose. I have to say it has been completely usable to me after reducing the liquid glass thing as much as the system allows.
    • gekoxyz 1 hour ago
      I am currently on Sonoma and I was considering to upgrade to get the things that I missed in these years. I think and hope that macOS 27 will be faster wrt Sonoma...
    • lukifer 1 hour ago
      Same. In addition to UX regression, we’re two major revs in, there’s nothing that’s a compelling enough value-add to be worth the trade-off, let alone the risk of unexpected side effects on any OS upgrade.

      On my Xcode dev machine, I’ll be biting the bullet soon out of necessity, but my personal machine will stay Sequoia until they course-correct on “style over substance” (and not holding my breath).

  • Hamuko 44 minutes ago
    Updated my iPad to iPadOS 27 and disabled Reduce Transparency because I figured that they’ve fixed Liquid Glass.

    The notifications on the lock screen are still completely unreadable. What the fuck is Apple doing?

    Can’t even be happy about the bug fixes because my biggest one, Spotlight not getting keyboard focus when you use it, is still present.

    • prymitive 18 minutes ago
      27 got the slider so I though: finally I can turn it off even more. Turns out the max value of the slider is what toggling “less Liquid Glass please” was already doing in 26. But at the same time they modified it and now it somehow looks eee worse? I don’t know whst they did but it’s just looking less readable, at least in dark mode.

      And the worse thing about LG is the floating bottom nav bar that keeps shrinking to an icon when you least expect it, moving all elements.

    • tensor 26 minutes ago
      MacOS 26 forced me to give up spotlight for Raycast. It would do this thing where new delayed results would steal highlight focus so hitting the enter button to select something from the list became a lottery. Would you select the thing you see or would something else replace it in the time you press the button.

      I use Raycast now and it's 1000x better simply because it actually selects the highlighted thing.

  • yieldcrv 1 hour ago
    I’m adding representation to an issue that I hope is fixed:

    for the last couple months I’ve been able to record videos and watch those videos but am unable to share them, whether on instagram, whatsapp, airdrop or imessage. some limited luck saving the same video to the file system and sharing from there

    searching this issue is notoriously difficult, and there is one partially related thread on Apple support forums talking about spacial h264 and spacial h265 video codecs further complicated by being wrappers, with something suggesting the latter is the issue, the final post having a bewildered user asking for clarification that the iphone can create videos that even it cant use

    I looked in my camera settings and there are soooo many switches and file formats now, that its impossible to know which edge case has been run into, and there’s no reset button to put the settings back to their most compatible

    I hope this OS refresh fixed that

    note, this only affects some videos and the common denominator is not obvious. all videos are recent and made in the same timespan. some are sharable some are not

    • ezfe 1 hour ago
      > unable to share them

      What does "unable" mean?

      • yieldcrv 1 hour ago
        on instagram, tapping the thumbnail has no user feedback and is never selected

        on whatsapp, tapping the same video thumbnail results in a "preparing media" modal that never ends, until pressing cancel

        on airdrop, a similar preparing model appears that never makes any progress and only has a cancel button

        on imessage, tapping the same video thumbnail results in a circular progress bar overlay, as if it was downloading it from icloud, except it never finishes and was never in icloud

        unable

  • iluvcommunism 1 hour ago
    [dead]
  • wetpaws 1 hour ago
    [dead]
  • xlayn 1 hour ago
    Can we please have a 1 release focus on fixing bugs? not more ai but fixing bugs, 1 release where you can disable AI... 1 release to make it faster again, 1 release to polish... not to push the next "game changing UI design..."

    the "upgrade to 18.4" took my iphone to 26.whatever and siri got even worst... siri set an alarm for 10:40 (creates one at 12:08)... NO, delete that one, 10 40 (does nothing)... hey siri... (ajum), delete the previous alarm... (done!) now set an alarm at 10:40 (alarm at 4pm....)... eventually you get tired... you go to the alarms app.. and then there is the previous "deleted" alarm and the other one...

  • spankalee 1 hour ago
    So if you don't want to use Apple's AI, this brings... faster app launching on iOS? I guess I'll use the Liquid Glass controls, but otherwise this is a dud.
    • armadyl 1 hour ago
      > Otherwise this is a dud

      This comment is a dud. The whole point of this update was to focus on fixing bugs and improving stability. They literally rewrote the CPU scheduler to improve UI performance. Safari UI and page rendering is no longer shit compared to how it was on iPadOS 26. There’s an insane amount of under the hood changes for this release, something people have been asking for them to do for a while — focus on making things run better instead of adding endless new half baked features.

      Updates don’t always have to bring shiny, flashy new features. Holy shit.

      • spankalee 51 minutes ago
        The linked page is 90% AI and not much about stability. If "the whole point of this update was to focus on fixing bugs and improving stability" they don't say so, so excuse me for not knowing that.

        If it's a stability release, then great! But that's not what they're saying. Stability is mentioned once regarding search only. Performance has a very small sub-section half way down the page. Where do they mention the CPU scheduler rewrite, or any of the under-the-hood changes you're talking about? You seem to expect people to know about these things from somewhere else.

    • minimaxir 59 minutes ago
      Snow Leopard was one of the most celebrated Mac OS X updates for a reason.