Japanese symbols that speak without words

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93 points | by msephton 5 hours ago

8 comments

  • 1-6 1 hour ago
    I don't see anything particularly special about these symbols. Don't get me wrong, I like Japan but while these icons look nice, don't most symbols already speak without words?
    • dcrazy 12 minutes ago
      I always find it interesting to learn about symbols or iconography that a culture takes for granted that would be unknown or even invisible to an outsider.

      Japanese heraldry is particularly captivating because of its apparent influence on corporate logo design of the 1960s. Between mon and traditional Japanese architecture, it’s eye-opening to see parallels between post-war American modernism and millennia of Japanese design.

      In the spirit of this article, Cabel Sasser [1] once jokingly referred to U+1F4DB as “tofu on fire,” but eventually learned it is universally understood by Japanese people as a child’s school name tag.

      [1]: https://bsky.app/profile/cabel.panic.com/post/3lxusfd6f5k2c

      For a non-Japanese example, it wasn’t until I visited Europe that the “fleeing man” universally used for exit signage over there would have meant anything to me. You can drop that icon into something and immediately convey danger, flight to safety, etc.

      • parl_match 4 minutes ago
        You might find the history of "American Traditional" tattooing interesting, as well.
    • Blikkentrekker 44 minutes ago
      There is a general culture that one sometimes sees which treats anything related to Japan as highly remarkable. Ancient Japanese swords can literally cut through diamond like butter by being folded over 1 000 times after all.
    • xp84 58 minutes ago
      My reading of it is that it isn't the use of symbols that is notable, but rather here are a few handfuls of roles that symbolic decals and signs have been given in Japan, most of which we don't have in North America at least. A lot of them are quite smart. Sure, the special badge for the front of a police or fire vehicle is pretty redundant, but it would be nice if we had a universal understanding of a couple of these just as we understand what the blue handicap icon means. I would nominate the best as:

      1. The cross + heart one for people with hidden disabilities. This is probably top of mind for me because I have a family member who could use some extra understanding due to a condition.

      2. The new driver, elderly driver, and deaf driver. The first one is obviously so useful that we've just created dozens of one-off text decals (clearly inferior, as they have to be noticed, read, and interpreted, rather than just recognized). It should be handed to you along with your permit and made compulsory like Japan describes.

      As for the elderly one, it would be useful to tip us off to give them more space, and also to inspire us to think of our grandmas when we see such a car making a mistake on the road, instead of defaulting to assuming the driver is a deliberately uncourteous prick as we sometimes do.

      (As for the "if people are too old to drive correctly, we should take their licenses away" argument, let's assume it's been made, and that someone has pointed out the tradeoffs of that policy in the real world that we live in.)

  • robocat 4 hours ago
    The common theme for the discussed symbols is consideration for others.

    In New Zealand we require a yellow [L] sign on cars with learner drivers (with learners drivers licenses). However I get the impression that other drivers are less considerate around a car displaying the [L] sign.

    I suspect New Zealanders are generally far less considerate than Japanese. Politeness avoids a trillion sharp edges.

    We also seem to be copying some of the US predilection of arsehole Ute (pickup) drivers.

    • freetime2 20 minutes ago
      > However I get the impression that other drivers are less considerate around a car displaying the [L] sign.

      On a related theme - I have found when driving in the North Eastern US, when people put on their turn signal, other drivers will often speed up and close the gap rather than giving them space to merge.

      • hunter2_ 10 minutes ago
        As a northeasterner, I can explain:

        In some other places, a turn signal before a lane change is an ask, to which others respond by creating more of a gap than there originally was. Here, it's not an ask but a statement that you've got enough of a gap already so you're going for it. As such, others don't find a need to react at all, which could mean the gap continues shrinking if it was already shrinking prior; the signaler needs to have anticipated that and not signaled until this problem doesn't exist.

    • dcrazy 19 minutes ago
      There has been an explosion of “student driver” stickers here in the SF Bay Area. It’s completely voluntary, and most the vehicles appear to be driven by people in their 30s.
    • xp84 55 minutes ago
      That's nuts. I have seen a car in my city with a sticker that says:

        NEW DRIVER
      
        I'm freaking trying!!
      
      It makes me smile every time. I honestly had a hard time when I was first learning, and especially transitioning to driving in an urban environment. I would say those streets, intersections, etc. were poorly designed, but of course, none of it was designed, urban road designs simply "happen" and people need to just improvise their way through it.
    • JimTheMan 1 hour ago
      I didn't find that to the case in Australia, as someone who had L's for far longer than is standard.

      Mostly it meant that people gave you a wide berth, as learner drivers are unpredictable at times. So basically, what the sign intends.

      It surprises me to hear that about NZ? As I think of NZ, as our friendlier cousin.

      Just goes to show that our experiences are always hyperlocalised, and it's hard to actually make generalisations without actual data.

      • woozlewuzzle 30 minutes ago
        Where abouts where you driving in Australia?

        I've had the same experiences as the parent commenter when learning to drive in Sydney. In general drivers in the bigger cities seem to be very aggressive.

    • jjtheblunt 3 hours ago
      > Politeness avoids a trillion sharp edges.

      i've never seen that before, and what a great phrase!

      Also, i'm in the US and don't know why this exists, but recently see this all over.

         https://www.liftedtrucks.com
      • robocat 2 hours ago
        Can't visit that site from NZ. I've mostly seen kits for lifting 4WDs in NZ.

        And I think the arsehole ute/pickup drivers are more of a tradie demographic.

        Lifted 4WDs here seen to most commonly be private older vehicles owned by a wider cross-section of society (lifted for image/status or offroad access), and perhaps are rarely work vehicles. Think lifted 1996 rough Land Cruiser, not a showoff expensive new Ford.

    • ggm 2 hours ago
      Also in the UK and Aus. It's bizarre that a sign saying "I'm learning, be kind" encourages some people to monster you, follow you swearing, generally hassle you.

      (33 years ago, still in my memory)

      It's as if they think it means HTFU and then go to hazing.

      • payphonefiend 27 minutes ago
        In Aus when you get on your P plates you instantly feel like a mad dog and aggressively overtake L platers
  • netsharc 4 hours ago
    The logo expressing "Limited Express" is very unspecific, imagine if buses with the Mercedes star cost extra and didn't stop at every stop.

    Interesting that a lot of US road signs have words on them: https://ygraph.com/graphs/roadsigns-20120316T030941-ekrruua.... , or are obvious, whereas in Europe drivers need to learn what they mean: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh...

    For example the yield triangle, no stopping and no parking are probably unfamiliar to US drivers.

    Meanwhile all Alfa Romeo Quadrofoglio drivers might be mistaken for drivers with missing limbs in Japan.

    • lexicality 3 hours ago
      It was very surprising for me when I visited the US to see just how much space was wasted writing everything out on every sign and sometimes in giant words on the road.

      It did also make me a bit worried about the expected level of driver education...

      • xp84 46 minutes ago
        To me it's odd to imply people must be stupid because they're expected to read a few simple words such as "Left lane must turn left" rather than to memorize a bunch of symbols.

        American signs very frequently combine both styles - for instance, you see the above words next to a sign with arrows for whatever lanes, wordlessly illustrating the turn types permitted.

        If someone is a new driver, who hasn't seen the symbolic signs enough, the word signs are a good fallback. The goal is to maximize accessibility.

    • z2 2 hours ago
      Both have pretty enjoyable design language. The US signs follow colors, red for prohibition, white for rules, yellow for hazards, green for directional and blue for service. For Europe or the Vienna convention that much of the world uses, in respective order it's red for prohibition, circles for rules, triangle for hazards.
      • xnx 2 hours ago
        And brown road signs for tourist attractions, recreational areas, and cultural or historical sites.
    • svachalek 2 hours ago
      The yield triangle is super common here (California and everywhere else I've been in the US). It's even on your image.

      No parking is usually a red curb or striped out area, which is different but also nonverbal. The complication is that many places have a EULA on parking spots that reads something like "No parking, 9-5pm, except on Tuesdays and full moons, or in a yellow vehicle, or by written agreement with a minimum of two signatures not including Bob". Good luck putting that in an icon.

      That "no stopping" sign is unfamiliar to me, I guess we write it out but it's a pretty rare thing here to not allow stopping.

      Most of the rest is familiar and/or obvious except the ones that have German words on them. Many of the concepts in writing don't exist on the German signs, I don't know if you don't have these signs or just not listed on your chart. Some of the English ones are just tooltips; it's never ok to stop on a railroad track but someone thought a reminder would be nice.

    • lxgr 2 hours ago
      When in doubt, I’ll take a somewhat mysterious pictogram over a written sign in a language I don’t understand.
    • skillina 1 hour ago
      > Interesting that a lot of US road signs have words on them... whereas in Europe drivers need to learn what they mean

      I mean... Europe had to develop a system that works regardless of whether you speak the local language. The USA assumed every driver would speak English. I would tend to favor the European strategy, though given how we've held out on adopting the metric system I won't hold my breath.

  • msephton 1 hour ago
    I'm a big user of the shoshinsha mark (beginner) emoji
  • nephihaha 3 hours ago
    Very interesting but the comparisons are somewhat US-centric. For example, there is an equivalent to the heart and cross in some western countries which is the sunflower lanyard.
  • 1317 3 hours ago
    P Plates, Japan
  • CHUNK_CHUNK 1 hour ago
    One thing I'd add: the "kuuki wo yomu" concept extends beyond symbols into everyday social cues too. A classic example is the "genkan" (entryway) — the slight step-up from outdoor to indoor floor level silently tells you where to remove your shoes, no sign needed. The whole house layout enforces the unspoken rule.

    Train station melody chimes are another great example — they differ by station and line, so locals unconsciously recognize which station they're at by sound alone, without reading anything.

    There are countless other forms of "reading the air" throughout Japanese daily life. I'd genuinely recommend visiting Japan once to experience it firsthand.

  • IndySun 3 hours ago
    If "drivers of private vehicles in Japan", must understand these "four symbols" then these are not "Japanese symbols that speak without words".
    • comradesmith 2 hours ago
      I don’t understand your comment. Can you spell it out for me?
      • IndySun 1 hour ago
        The article is decent, but the headline is saying something demonstrably false - evidenced by the article itself.

        Not one of the symbols can possibly be understood as to its intended meaning without learning what the symbol represents - that is to say, simply by looking at any of them in no way whatsoever suggests, hints, or shows their meaning in the appropriate context.

        • freetime2 39 minutes ago
          I understood the article to mean, for example, that the help mark allows people on a train to signal "though I may not outwardly appear like I am disabled, I do have a need for priority seating". And thus people would (hopefully) offer up their seat without needing to be asked with words.

          I don't think they meant that the symbols should be universally understood without need for explanation.

        • nekooooo 1 hour ago
          japan glazing imho and i love kamon (family crests). you could have written this article about almost any country.