Some Things Just Take Time

(lucumr.pocoo.org)

43 points | by vaylian 1 hour ago

8 comments

  • QuadrupleA 18 minutes ago
    > everybody who is like me, fully onboarded into AI and agentic tools, seemingly has less and less time available because we fall into a trap where we’re immediately filling it with more things

    I do wonder if productivity with AI coding has really gone up, or if it just gives the illusion of that, and we take on more projects and burn ourselves out?

    • agumonkey 10 minutes ago
      A blend of both. You do create more, but the goalposts are always one more step away.

      ps: it's strange that YouTubers are talking about the same thing. People in different dev circles. Agentic feels like doom ide scroll.

      • irishcoffee 4 minutes ago
        Sounds similar to a slot machine. How odd…
  • Swizec 49 minutes ago
    > everybody who is like me, fully onboarded into AI and agentic tools, seemingly has less and less time available because we fall into a trap where we’re immediately filling it with more things

    You fill a jar with sand and there is no space for big rocks.

    But if you fill the jar with big rocks, there is plenty of space for sand. Remove one of the rocks and the sand instantly fills that void.

    Make sure you fit the rocks first.

    • big-chungus4 22 minutes ago
      You fill the bottle with water, you put a fish in it, you remove half of the water, the bottle is still half full, but if you remove the fish, it will have less water than before.

      You fill the bottle with half of the water, you put the fish in, you can fill in the other half. If you start with the first half, you will end up with more water.

  • titanomachy 33 minutes ago
    > We pay premiums for Swiss watches, Hermès bags and old properties precisely because of the time embedded in them

    Lost me in paragraph three. We pay for those things because they're recognizable status symbols, not because they took a long time to make. It took my grandmother a long time to knit the sweater I'm wearing, but its market value is probably close to zero.

    • simonw 15 minutes ago
      I would say that wearing a sweater knitted by one's grandmother is its own kind of status symbol. I'm more impressed by that (someone having a grandmother willing to invest that much effort in a gift for them) than someone spending $1000 on an item of clothing.

      The fact that those items took a long time to make is part of what makes them status symbols though, because if you pay a lot of money for something that took no time to make at all (see most NFTs) you look like an idiot to a lot of people.

    • agumonkey 6 minutes ago
      Maybe the analogy was wrong but more and more, I believe that some of a value was implicitly about how many organs/industries did it touch.
  • andyhedges 32 minutes ago
    > We require age minimums for driving, voting, and drinking because we believe maturity only comes through lived experience.

    Not true, we do this because the 99% of the time it's true, however there are people who would be perfectly competent and responsible to drive without living to the age of 16-18. Same with voting, there are humans who have a deep understanding and intelligence about politics at a younger age than suffrage. Equally there are people who will be reckless drivers at 40 and vote on whim at 60.

    We have these rules not because sophistication only comes through lived experience, we have them because it's strongly correlated and covers of most error cases.

    To take this to AI, run the model enough times with a higher enough temperature, then perhaps it can solve your challenges with a high enough quality - just a thought.

    • abnry 29 minutes ago
      The guiding analogy of the piece is that of planting a tree and waiting for it to mature.

      The reason we need to wait is that it takes time for some things to mature.

      • andyhedges 17 minutes ago
        Yes, I'm saying it's not a good analogy
  • dminor 28 minutes ago
    On the contrary, you can solve the tree problem with money. There are nurseries that sell mature trees -- most people though will not choose to spend $20k on a tree.
  • lapcat 2 minutes ago
    > I’m also increasingly skeptical of anyone who sells me something that supposedly saves my time.

    Imagine a world in which the promise of AI was that workers could keep their jobs, at the same compensation as before, but work fewer hours and days per week due to increased productivity.

    What could you do with those extra hours and days? Sleep better. Exercise more. Prepare healthy meals. Spend more time with family and friends. The benefits to physical and mental well-being are priceless. Even if you happened to earn extra money for the same amount of work, your time can be infinitely more valuable than money.

    Unfortunately, that's not this world. Which is why the "increased productivity" promise doesn't seem to benefit workers at all.

  • vaylian 1 hour ago
    Speed is useful, when you have a good idea or a hypothesis you want to test. But if you are running in the wrong direction, speed is of very little value. With LLMs it might be even harder to stop and realize that you are creating the wrong thing, because you are not spending effort to create the wrong thing.
    • binsquare 51 minutes ago
      I can relate to this, when time and effort of coding is a limiting factor it forces people to be more thoughtful about what to create.
  • rkwtr1299 50 minutes ago
    And yet https://earendil.com/purpose/ is dabbling in AI and many posts by Ronacher are low key promoting AI.

    He is contributing to the madness.

    • the_mitsuhiko 30 minutes ago
      I admit that it’s a conflict and I don’t know if I have the right answers. I cannot help but see the good and bad in these things. Rejecting it outright is unlikely to help.
    • luxurytent 31 minutes ago
      I think he's learning how to effectively use the tools we now have and is sharing his experience in a thoughtful way. Madness is a stretch