3 comments

  • gabeidx 1 hour ago
    It's so good to see Safari steadily making progress on being a decent browser.
    • drawfloat 4 minutes ago
      I wish they would fix the bug that has plagued testing against Safari for larger applications since day 1: the silent memory restart. At the very least give an error indicating why the page just refreshed so users/testers can report it, but it would honestly be best to just let a modern desktop browser use the available memory if desired.
    • jen729w 31 minutes ago
      I guess the snark is funny, so I'll bite.

      I've used Safari daily for … must be 20 years now? Every day, for everything, minus the odd exceptionally rare circumstance. And I couldn't tell you what the last one of those was, it was so long ago.

      I'm a web developer. I use its devtools constantly.

      People ask why do you use Safari and not Chrome and I think the question is backwards. Why, given how lovely Safari is, would you go and download Chrome? It's really ugly and doesn't look like any of the other apps on my Mac.

      When I do want other devtools, I vastly prefer Firefox's to Chrome's.

      • Boltgolt 16 minutes ago
        This is like being in the 2000s and saying "Why would I use anything but IE5, everything works with it"

        The market share is what makes those circumstances exceptionally rare. Meanwhile we're having to use safari specific fixes and refrain from using he newest standards just because of safari

        • dep_b 13 minutes ago
          It’s much easier to make stuff work with Safari first then last.
      • pprotas 17 minutes ago
        I don’t think the common question is “Why not use Chrome instead of Safari?” but “Why use Safari?”
      • troupo 18 minutes ago
        Safari's dev tools are infuriatingly cumbersome in comparison to Chrome. They go out of their way to make even the simplest actions hidden in multiple selects and popup menus. I even made a screencast of it: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1711701552082079764

        As a browser? I agree with you.

  • etchalon 3 hours ago
    Safari continues to have the best developer tools, so long as you don't need to debug JavaScript.
    • aaronbrethorst 1 hour ago
      I use Safari for day-to-day web browsing and Chrome for development. Feels like the best of both worlds to me.
      • matwood 39 minutes ago
        Same. Chrome dev tools, especially around JS are just better.
    • troupo 16 minutes ago
      Safari's dev tools are ... just bad. They are frustratingly cumbersome to use: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1711701552082079764
    • akst 2 hours ago
      I don't think JS debugging in Safari is that bad.

      But I also use it as my main browser, so maybe there are some nicer features in other browser dev tools I haven't been exposed too.

      • etchalon 1 hour ago
        It's mostly that there's no way for third-party tooling to initiate a debugging session, I believe.
        • akst 1 hour ago
          That's fair.
      • baxuz 1 hour ago
        It's criminally bad. You can't copy logged variables. You can't inspect worker threads (!?). WASM support is laughable. You can't even do a heap snapshot on demand.
    • boxed 51 minutes ago
      The Chrome tool where you can edit CSS inside the inspect panel and it writes it to the CSS file is amazing and I really miss that in Safari.