Cue Does It All, but Can It Literate?

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33 points | by xlii 3 days ago

3 comments

  • spookylukey 2 hours ago
    Please, please - just link to the actual "CUE" project. Not everyone has heard of your favourite thing. The first reference to `CUE` should be a hyperlink.

    For other people: I'm pretty sure the author is talking about https://cuelang.org/

  • solatic 1 hour ago
    Is there anyone out there that has actually, in the real world, realized CUE's promise of bundling type safety + data/configuration + task running in such a way that does not require wrapping it in shell scripts? Can you set up your CI/CD pipelines so that it's literally just invoking some cue cmd, and have that cmd invocation be reasonably portable?

    The problem is, once you have to wrap CUE, the loss of flexibility within a special-purpose language like CUE is enough for people to ask why not just bother writing the scripts in a general purpose language with better ecosystem support. And that's a hard sell in corporate environments, even ones that find benefit in type safe languages in general, because they can just pick a general purpose language with a static type checker.

    • mxey 6 minutes ago
      Not sure if that’s what you mean but we have apps where all you need to deploy them to Kubernetes is run “cue cmd deploy”.

      > The problem is, once you have to wrap CUE, the loss of flexibility within a special-purpose language like CUE is enough for people to ask why not just bother writing the scripts in a general purpose language with better ecosystem support.

      cue cmd is nice but it’s not the reason to use CUE. The data parts are. I would still use if I had to use “cue export” to get the data out of it with a bit of shell.

    • maccard 27 minutes ago
      I can't speak for CUE, but I've worked with CI and "build orchestration tools"in the past. Most CI providers provide executor APIs that let you override it as a plugin. One example is https://buildkite.com/resources/plugins/buildkite-plugins/do... - you mark this as "this is using docker" and configure it in the environment, and then you provide the command. You need to be very careful about the design of the plugin, but I've done it a few times and it's viable.
    • CuriouslyC 1 hour ago
      Cue.js has a wasm port. I really like cue for my spec driven development tool Arbiter, it is great for structured specs because it acts like a superset of most configuration/programming languages.
  • jddj 45 minutes ago
    Maybe it's unfair, unhelpful or overdone to call out llmisms, but if OP is reading this I stopped reading pretty quickly as a result of things like:

    > [CUE] does not just hold the text; it validates that the pieces actually fit. It ensures that the code in your explanation is the exact same code in your final build. It is like having a Lego set where the bricks refuse to click if you are building something structurally unsound.

    And that's despite having a passing interest in both cue and LP

    • CuriouslyC 16 minutes ago
      Ah, the negative positive construction. Another casualty of the anti-AI movement. The semicolon was almost certainly inserted manually in place of an em-dash, models almost never use them.
      • jchw 1 minute ago
        Accusing people of using generative AI is definitely one of those things you have to be careful with, but on the other hand, I still think it's OK to critique writing styles that are now cliche because of AI. I mean come on, it's not just the negative-positive construction. This part is just as cliche:

        > It is like having a Lego set where the bricks refuse to click if you are building something structurally unsound.

        And the headings follow that AI-stank rhythmic pattern with most of them starting with "The":

        > The “Frankenstein” Problem

        > The Basic Engine

        > The Ignition Key

        > The Polyglot Pipeline

        I could go on, but I really don't think you have to.

        I mean look, I'm no Pulitzer prize winner myself, but let's face it, it would be hard to make an article feel more it was adapted from an LLM output if you actually tried.